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So is that the end of this "practice heist" or is there more?
I found out that the statue is from the Royal Palace in Amsterdam.
Atlas and Titan are also both satellites of Saturn.... Atlas is a tiny little potato-shaped thing (20 x 15 km) that shepherds Saturn's A-ring, while Titan is a sphere of rock and ice (larger than the Moon) that has rivers of hydrocarbons and a dense atmosphere.
But I suspect this is a digression...
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LostOne wrote:
So is that the end of this "practice heist" or is there more?
I think that was it. Atlas has been found. But then again, the posting of the iChat conversation makes me wonder if there's something else. Then again, that could have been JohnRed taunting us a bit.
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WalrusCP wrote:
Then again, that could have been JohnRed taunting us a bit.
I think it was.
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bensor wrote:
http://mhtitan.com/
I found it!
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8" ?>
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" lang="en" xml:lang="en"><head><style type="text/css">body { background: black url(http://s3.amazonaws.com/macheist/titan.jpg) no-repeat center center;}</style></head><body></body></html>
Just curious, but which page did you find this code on?
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John posting the iChat wasn't a taunt - in a sense, he was admitting to a "mistake" of sorts. If Atlas isn't actually a Titan, then his reference that the server was meant to support the heavens would have properly invoked thoughts of Atlas, but not of Titans. So, in theory, if Atlas is not a Titan, we should have never found MHtitan.com based on the Atlas clue. That's all it means.
jpdyson wrote:
John posting the iChat wasn't a taunt - in a sense, he was admitting to a "mistake" of sorts. If Atlas isn't actually a Titan, then his reference that the server was meant to support the heavens would have properly invoked thoughts of Atlas, but not of Titans. So, in theory, if Atlas is not a Titan, we should have never found MHtitan.com based on the Atlas clue. That's all it means.
If there's a mythology expert out there, I'd love to know the real answer here.
FWIW, Noël (aka Kriana... aka puzzly helpy girl) just loves being right (as do I, of course).
LostOne wrote:
On mhtitan.com
No, that was the answer he found in the code. I want to know where he found the code that gave him mhtitan.com.
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WalrusCP wrote:
LostOne wrote:
On mhtitan.com
No, that was the answer he found in the code. I want to know where he found the code that gave him mhtitan.com.
I don't know about her/him, but I went to Wikipedia, looked up Atlas which said "Atlas was the primordial Titan who supported the heavens". Atlas, Titan, supported the heavens, mhstatic.com - designed to "support the heavens". The heists usually includes clues, not necessarily codes and links.
#include <unistd.h>
#include <netinet/in.h>
void main(){int p=ntohl(0x6E696E65);int q[]={p,ntohl(0x7479),p,0xA};write(1,&q,0x10);}
No one should ever peek at the source code. It makes me sad. You guys don't want to make me sad right?
also, it's cheating.
Sorry - I have to ask this - how is looking at source code cheating? I suppose if you're trying to figure out where or in what order to click things that might be cheating, but some of us read source code regularly. I often look at the source code of pages I'm on to help me better understand what's available for navigation, or see how a particular design trick was executed, or the like. To say "peeking at the source code is cheating" is like saying examining the stitching on handwork is cheating, or studying a painting is cheating, or feeling a piece of art for rough spots is cheating.
My two cents. Not sure why these comments have rubbed me the wrong way,
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Sorry - I have to ask this - how is looking at source code cheating? I suppose if you're trying to figure out where or in what order to click things that might be cheating, but some of us read source code regularly. I often look at the source code of pages I'm on to help me better understand what's available for navigation, or see how a particular design trick was executed, or the like. To say "peeking at the source code is cheating" is like saying examining the stitching on handwork is cheating, or studying a painting is cheating, or feeling a piece of art for rough spots is cheating.
My two cents. Not sure why these comments have rubbed me the wrong way,
Aym
It's just the rules as we lay them out. Sometimes it's virtually impossible to completely obfuscate things, unfortunately (it's the nature of HTML). So it's sometimes the choice between doing a cool puzzle that can be discovered by viewing source or not doing it. I'd rather choose the former.
roos wrote:
Sorry - I have to ask this - how is looking at source code cheating? I suppose if you're trying to figure out where or in what order to click things that might be cheating, but some of us read source code regularly. I often look at the source code of pages I'm on to help me better understand what's available for navigation, or see how a particular design trick was executed, or the like. To say "peeking at the source code is cheating" is like saying examining the stitching on handwork is cheating, or studying a painting is cheating, or feeling a piece of art for rough spots is cheating.
My two cents. Not sure why these comments have rubbed me the wrong way,
Aym
The idea of the puzzle is usurped by looking at its source code. The point is to solve the problem, not "hack" through it.
I know, it isn't really hacking, but hopefully my point makes it through. We're meant to figure out the puzzle. notarule.com is a perfect example. Sure, looking at the source code gets you the next step, but you didn't understand the puzzle or what was being hinted. The second "rule" on that page isn't a rule at all, but rather a text box. Put your curser in it, you realize this, cmd-A/cmd-C to get the text you can't see, cmd-V into a text editor, and read.
PS: don't bother taking the next step on that particular heist - the domain is parked.
johnred wrote:
jpdyson wrote:
John posting the iChat wasn't a taunt - in a sense, he was admitting to a "mistake" of sorts. If Atlas isn't actually a Titan, then his reference that the server was meant to support the heavens would have properly invoked thoughts of Atlas, but not of Titans. So, in theory, if Atlas is not a Titan, we should have never found MHtitan.com based on the Atlas clue. That's all it means.
If there's a mythology expert out there, I'd love to know the real answer here.
FWIW, Noël (aka Kriana... aka puzzly helpy girl) just loves being right (as do I, of course).
It's funny to me that we cite the same source on opposite sides of the argument (both Kriana and I saying we read on Wikipedia that Atlas was/wasn't a Titan). I couldn't care less; the logical link was still there, so the hint was successful.
Ok, I see I misunderstood the original post discovering mhtitan.com. It looks like he was trying to post the page or something, and it messed up and just showed the code for mhtitan.com. I thought he found the url embedded in a page source code somewhere on the site.
Sorry for the confusion.
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johnred wrote:
It's just the rules as we lay them out. Sometimes it's virtually impossible to completely obfuscate things, unfortunately (it's the nature of HTML). So it's sometimes the choice between doing a cool puzzle that can be discovered by viewing source or not doing it. I'd rather choose the former.
This is a new twist. Machiest had no "rules" until your recent edict that peeking at code was cheating. Are there any other MH rules? I've never seen them posted or heard them referenced. I'm all for rules as long as everyone is on the same page. OTOH I think MH functions pretty well without rules.
mjweb wrote:
This is a new twist. Machiest had no "rules" until your recent edict that peeking at code was cheating. Are there any other MH rules? I've never seen them posted or heard them referenced. I'm all for rules as long as everyone is on the same page. OTOH I think MH functions pretty well without rules.
It's not recent. We usually say in the code comments that viewing source is cheating. The issue is that it ruins the fun for the others who, even though they're in the backroom or IRC, would like to follow along on an actual solve.
So police yourselves... if anyone views source and posts it while a mission is going on, burn them at the virtual stake. I'll be smiling along from the sidelines.